Shivworks UKFull Martial Arts Academy Chester

4th - 6th July 2008.


Southnarc Presents “Under The Gun Seminar including”:


Pistol Disarms


Managing multiple contacts from clinch


Modified short take off


Friday 4th July.


After several hours off driving up to Chester we were greeted to an empty car park on Friday night! The look of concern on our faces was probably priceless but never the less soon after a few cars came belting in the car park & then the main man Southnarc appeared, the concern melted & we all made our way in to Ian’s academy.


SN (Southnarc) gave a warm welcome to everyone & we each took it in turn to say a little of our experience & background, this was really good as it dispels a little of the nerves that we all get irrespective of which seminar we go to.


SN began by giving us a short diluted version of his background, this being 18 years in the police, under cover for the last two years dealing mainly with narcotics. He has worked in several countries including but not limited to Norway & France.


What SN pointed out early on was something us in the “reality based systems” have concurred to aswell, is that under pressure martial arts don’t work unless adapted!


He mentioned that he was a big believer in MMA but needs to be tweaked. His reasoning was that lots of people now are doing this hard physical training so we may aswell adopt the same work rate but with a better, tweaked way!


Then we moved on to the real meat.


SN first explained that opportunists favour their victims when two things are in place, these being:


1. Unequal initiative. By the use of a:

1. Ruse or a

2. Surprise (V’s equal initiative)


2. Unproportional armament. By the use of:

1. Being up close.

2. Weapon Involved.

3. The use of a 2nd guy.


This all spells out low risk & high reward for the opportunist.


Now SN looked at the implications of being in close range to anyone = Less TIME to do anything. To illustrate this we all did out first simple exercise, this consisted of being at an arms length to our training partner with one of us trying to strike the others stomach, then all we did was add 1 foot distance & tried again, this time it was noticeably easy to block the shots coming. Clear message to not let anyone you don’t know get too close to you, ever.


Label everyone that you come in to contact with as an unknown contact & how we manage these is everything. To manage them we need to see them first by the use of Awareness. SN explained the theory of task fixation = fixate on something they are doing.


Next we looked at using Verbalisation if you are approached; the objective is to stop encroachment. First by making a request which may not work then command them to back up. Three things were mentioned here to do whilst this is happening:


  1. Preferably not to move backwards.
  2. Move to 3pm or 9pm to scan all areas.
  3. Keep your hands compressed & both hands back & higher up the chest area, so you react quicker to any attacks etc...


During this SN made several comments regarding how he has adopted the use of Geoff Thompson’s fence, mainly by point 3 above.


Then we touched on something that SN has witnessed in many real life situations & these are the use of pre-intent cues ie: what people do prior to attack/or possible attack.


  1. Griming – any touch of the face.
  2. Eye darting, looking about. (front/behind them)
  3. Weight shift.
  4. Hand movement. (usually towards the waist)


Next exercise “spot the cues” was designed for us to spot these 4 cues whilst creating a boundary. (Fence)


Then we looked at two pre emptive strikes, one for short range & one for use in longer ranges.


The first short range being an eye jab, he described to us to keep our wrist & hand loose & “throw the ball” at the head. This shot is really easy but you need to concentrate to not stiffen up the hand & wrist which will negate the shot.


Secondly we worked the longer range strike which was a “step off cross”, this uses either a boxers cross or a palm heal. This shot is set from the hips (similar to how you throw an uppercut but across not up) where all the power comes from. Quite difficult to get this one right as your going against the travel of your body but a cracking strike from long range if you were to own it. Has some deceptive reach with this strike.


SN showing us the correct footwork & body mechanics for the step off cross.

Alban getting to grips with the long range “step off cross”



Next we looked at establishing goals if we were confronted we needed to cover our noggin! Our two main priorities here are:


  1. Staying conscious.
  2. Staying on our feet.


SN used a term called diagnostic procedure = making decisions.

Our single diagnostic procedure is the Default. We need to stay conscious. Keep our nose over toes & drop weight. (Slightly squatted) We do not need to see him as its tactile when your covering your head.


This was the end of Friday night so we returned to the B&B for a good nights sleep!


Day 2 – Saturday 5th July.


First we refreshed on the default, the footwork for the two pre-emptive strikes & the use of 3pm-9pm when dealing with an unknown threat we had learnt the night before.


First exercise was called the “mountain goat drill”. Keep your hips inline, nose over toes, face up & bend your knees. A great warm up & to strengthen your neck & to keep your balance & nimble on your toes. I think we all came away from this with a big red skinless forehead!


SN & Ian showing the mountain goat drill!


Then we did the “underhook drill”, the ultimate objective of this is to get to your partners back or his side/hips. We were told to try & underhook from the elbow. We were showed 3 ways to get to someone’s back:


  1. Pop the arm over.
  2. Push the bicep/elbow.
  3. Grab your opponent with both arms wrapped around his body (then take his balance by walking back slightly then getting to his back)


SN Getting to Ian’s side using an underhook.


A couple of really good points were raised here while we were doing this drill if weapons were drawn, firstly once you get his back & the weapon is out try & use what SN called a “seatbelt” which is to seize the weapon bearing arm with one of your own hands.

Another point was to not use any kind of clinch (this was said because a lot of us were getting in this clinch position trying to get to someone’s back) only if you can knock him out otherwise he can draw the weapon & possibly stab you.




Next we introduced the guns. We watched SN keep in close range using 2 guys, one to ruse & the other to flank him.

SN showed us how to control the muzzle, either outside or inside & turn the body.


Drill 1 was to simply control the muzzle at close range with the gun held against us. (Anywhere)


SN holding up a potential victim.


Drill 2 was to do the same again but holding someone up from behind, on the floor, then progress to the guy holding the gun to stick a boxing glove on the free hand & when you try to strip the gun, you have to keep covered to not get battered!


The main points here were to pin your elbow to your torso (to enable greater strength as opposed to keeping your hands out in the open) then use the opposite hand (edge of the wrist/arm in to the thumb joint) to literally strip the gun away. *Remember to keep the muzzle pointing away from any part of your body* otherwise you could get shot. When the gun was free we were told to slap the magazine of the opponents gun (to check it would work properly) then lock on to the target while you get the hell out of there.  


The next 2 photos show you this more clearly.



SN controls the muzzle this time to the outside (as it’s nearest), uses the opposite hand to slide up in to the guys thumb joint then…


Strips away the gun, all done quickly.


Drill 3 was outside of contact range = 2 big steps back from your partner. SN then showed us the best ways of closing down someone in this range if they were armed, by using 2 big angular footsteps. He said “crash him on the angle” as you were coming in on a near 45 degree angle when you get to him. (Flanked) I have some videos to show you better below.


Drill 4 was putting all that we had learned from SN together. Both guys wore boxing gloves + one with the gun. We worked at both short range “hold up style” & at longer range to get our angular footwork up to speed. We changed partners often so that we got different energy from everyone.


A perfect way to end the day. After all this grappling & gun work everyone I think was shattered!


Day 3 - Sunday 6th July.


Being the very professional & adaptable training instructor SN is he changed the course slightly because a few of us were carrying injuries.


First of all SN explained why he was showing us the next drill, he often had to do this stuff for real undercover doing crack deals! You can only imagine what situations this guy has put himself in the past. Scary stuff indeed.


This is where our training experience really started to hot up. First off we added a second guy (so were now working in 3’s) while we had to manage the main unknown contact. One was going to be the victim, one was the ruse guy & the other guy comes in to try & distract you or just be a pain in the ass!


From this we progressed again by us all adding boxing gloves. Then we started off with one unknown contact behind the main victim so we had to really think on our feet & get ourselves in a better position quickly.


SN Introducing verbal & the boxing gloves. By just talking to someone they can easily get task fixation, (engage the brain) when that happens your chance off stopping the shot landing is minimal.


Then we really mixed it up adding anything that we had covered over the whole three days, this could be the unknown contacts using the gun or just using the boxing gloves at any range. Our main options here were:


  1. If at longer range, use the angular footwork to rush in & bash the guy & get to his side or back. (if a weapon was reached for)
  2. If at short range then go for the pre-empt if warranted.
  3. If the pre-empt wasn’t available & you were banged in the head, go to default to negate getting knocked out or down then do whatever was necessary.
  4. If a weapon was pulled at short range & put against you, get a hold of the muzzle & re-direct away from the body, (either inside or outside depending which was closest) keeping your elbows in to your torso & then strip the weapon bearing limb, all the time keeping your noggin covered.


Points to remember:


If the gun disarm doesn’t work then keep a hold of the weapon & try & get to his back or side where you’re in a more favourable position.


If the gun has been stripped successfully, hit him with the gun hand then position the gun under your chin, check the magazine is in properly (slap the bottom) slide the top so its free to shoot if needed (depending what gun it is) then extend your arm like your throwing a left/right cross. (This keeps everything in line so it’s easier to shoot on target)


We then took our findings & put them under even more pressure by adding in simulation (small round plastic shots/bullets) rounds outside. We partnered up wearing eye protection & had a go using the same techniques only now if you got hit by a shot, then effectively you would be dead…


Next SN showed us what he called a “modified takeoff”. No we weren’t going to get to grips with a rocket ship much to the disappointment of Paul & Alban!


This involves the use of ballistic footwork to get us going in a direction really quickly but more importantly, safely so you don’t trip, slide or basically land on your ass.


SN showed us how when he wants to change direction quickly he uses a stomp on the ground with the opposite foot to which he wants to move in. So if you want to move to your left you will first stomp your right foot to get good traction then move. Vice versa to the right. It’s used in a combination of stomping both feet moving in the direction of whichever way you intend to move in.


The next exercise was using the modified take off while having someone opposite you at approx 8 feet away shooting you. Start with the gun in hand by your side then bought up fairly quick to shoot you, you on the other hand by using the modified take off try & get out the way without getting shot. Harder than it looked but by the end of it everyone was getting good results.


We then finished the day by having teams of three all padded up & two guys intent on either shooting you or /& bashing you to bits, the objective was to get gone as safely & as quickly as possible.


This is I believe the third seminar SN has conducted over here in the UK. Thank you for a great weekend SN (& Ian at horin dojo & all his students too) & we all hope to be training with you again soon.


Paul, Southnarc, Me & Alban. All looking bruised & battered!



By David Mulliner.


Ps: I hope most of these explanations were easy to follow, like anything physical its always much easier to show you rather than write about it.